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gadfly said in April 24th, 2009 at 2:52 pm    

@Metroxing
Straightforward, all the facts, simply brilliant.
I’ve long thought the same about the media pundits but lacked the writing ability to put it all together in such a cogent manner; thank goodness you have done so.
Will it change anything, I doubt it. For one thing, the media is in thrall to finance speak, neither understanding how big corporations grow nor how emerging companies make marketing space. Successful companies are only ever judged against what has gone before and not in terms of how they do business. They seem unable to guage consumer zeitgeist if it appears to run counter to the accepted norm. In Apple, we have a company whose long view is so distant that myopia is the only safe course when the analysts talk their talk. I think they are fearful of calling out the establishment for the slow lumbering giants they have become. Hindsight is easy when the results are in but I expect normal service will be resumed within a few days.
Apple’s share price will drop around 10% whilst lumbering giant Microsoft’s share price and influence will go unchallenged. In fact I see their shares jumped slightly on their recent 32% drop in profits. There is clear danger here with MS absolutely at the mercy of the general PC market that has no new product, little vision of how to survive in a shrinking economy and a worrying reliance on loss leading netbooks at the cost of core profit. There is no industry incentive to upgrade to an unknown, unproven and as yet unreleased Windows 7 OS.
Apples strengths going forward(particularly deferred iPhone income) must seem like a strategy visitation from Mars compared with their own failing businesses. I expect fear of the unknown will be heaped on Apple simply because they are bucking the trend.

John Dingler said in April 25th, 2009 at 1:25 pm    

If it’s indeed true that “Market share without profit makes NO SENSE” and that ~ three PC companies are “selling every one (computer) at a loss,” but if those companies are making a profit and its stock is OK, then they are likely making offsetting profits elsewhere. But this situation is not like it was 30 years ago where profitability was driven by a virtual Pozi scheme, albeit above board, where investors put in money for a promise at future profitability which more often than not did not occur in those companies that finally failed when investors stopped infusing them with capital.

It seems to me that the three computer companies to which you allude are not like that. Its investors see that they are making profits over all, just maybe not in the PC part of the business. HP, for example, makes profits from services as well as from printer ink, but could be losing on PCs, yet rarely does anyone say that HP is in trouble.

By the way, on another topic, I have not read anything new on how IBM is doing on its PPC line of CPUs now that it’s not making them for Apple. I would like to read an analysis on the growth/adoption and its future viability as well as of other CPUs made by AMD, Intel, especially in the context of Oracle’s purchase of Sparc, initially designed and used for Sun’s Sun-4 workstation and server systems.

(MET: IBM is selling its PowerPC or a variant of it to all three gaming console makers so it’s a good business but not highly visible anymore … I think they finally cracked the 3 GB MHz barrier :-) ).

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